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This week’s letter is written by Krista.

Dear friends,

I’ll never forget the text I received from our producer on my way to interview Mary Oliver in 2015, airing again this week. “She wants to smoke as you talk. Are you ok with that?”

Was there really any way I would say no? 

I had met Mary once before, briefly, at an event where she read from her poetry. With some trepidation and due reverence, I approached her and asked if she would ever possibly consider a radio conversation with me. She smiled and said, in a tone that invited no negotiation, “I don’t give interviews any more. Except to my six-year-old neighbor.” 

I don’t always take no for an answer, but I did lose hope that this would happen. Then years later, out of the blue, a mutual colleague brought it into being. 

Life had moved forward, as it does. It was now composed of ingredients, as it always is, that neither she nor I would have been able to imagine. Her beloved life partner had died. She was living in Florida, no longer the Cape Cod that leapt off the page of so many of her poems across decades. I sat with her in Florida, but it’s in that Cape landscape of dune and salt that I will forever see Mary Oliver in my mind’s eye, traipsing while holding her ever-open notebook in one hand. 

Now, in my mind’s eye, she’s sometimes holding a cigarette in the other hand, too. As we spoke, she inhaled deeply between words that dropped like jewels. She was wearing a New England Patriots sweatshirt. She was frank about doing this kind of thing — an interview — with a large heap of unease. You’ll hear her exclaim at the end, like a child who’s been approved to go outside and play, “I’m free! I’m free!” 

Before we got to that point, though, she was present and open in ways that took my breath away: with her surprising memory of how “Wild Geese,” a poem that has saved lives, was born through an exercise in honing form; her matter-of-fact telling of the cancer she’d struggled with very privately; her reaction to a child reading her exquisite poem “The Summer Day.” This was a human who had been deeply wounded in childhood. Her wounds and scars threaded between the lines of her poetry. Sitting across from her, they were palpable, as was the way she had survived. She met and transfigured it all through her fierce, chosen way of walking through the world: looking up and around, passionately seeing, “listening convivially.” She let her wounds and her scars power a defiant joy in living beings and precise, living words. She treated her life as a kind of prayer. 

“I was saved by the beauty of the world,” she said to me. And the beauty of the world was honored in the devotion of her attention. Nothing less than the beauty of the world has become more present, more redemptive, for more of us in the encounter with her poetry. 

I believe that this had something to do, too, with how she resisted any appearance of ethereal saintliness, any proximity of a pedestal to stand on, which we are wont to hand someone of such talent. The smoking, the New England Patriots sweatshirt — they are a reason, or manifestations of a reason, this woman could write about flowers and the sea, about her beloved dogs, about God, and never veer for a second into sentimentality or any superficial idealizing. Her beautiful, precise words evoked both what we’re up against and what we’re given to delight in nevertheless, in this world that vibrates always and explodes sometimes with the force of its aliveness. 

We’re in yet another moment in the life of the world where we might unsee the beauty or imagine it overshadowed, defeated, or simply less powerful than what would steal it from us, blot it out. What a gift to re-summon Mary Oliver’s presence for this time. I hope you feel that, too.

 

With love,

Krista

 

P.S. WELCOME to all who’ve joined this letter just in the last few weeks. And in case you’re reading this and did not hear our news — of On Being’s next evolving, here you go. This newsletter will be a place to stay tuned to all that is emerging, to the “what next” that will in every aspect be a matter of community and shared exploration and growth.

P.P.S. If you are in or near San Francisco, please join me with the wonderful Pico Iyer on stage at City Arts and Lectures. We’ll talk about being alive now —as well as some of what is ahead for the far-flung world of On Being. Saturday, April 23, 7:30 pm PT. More information and tickets here.

 
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Mary Oliver
‘I got saved by the beauty of the world.’

A gift of an hour with the beloved late poet. The life behind the beautiful, precise words. How “Wild Geese” and “The Summer Day” came to be.

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Poetry Unbound

Pádraig and Krista sat down to talk about the work of poetry recently — you can find it in your podcast feed, or listen online here. We are delighted to share that Poetry Unbound starts up again on April 11th. And while you wait, take a moment to share your experience of Poetry Unbound through our short survey, which will help shape future seasons and offerings.

 

Events with Krista Coming Up

 

APRIL

07

THURSDAY

The Wisdom of Pema Chödrön

Free online event

Krista hosts this “Summit of Timeless Teachings to Awaken the Heart” alongside Buddhist teachers and heart friends inspired by Pema Chödrön. Tune in April 7th through 11th and discover practices to awaken courage and compassion, even in uncertain times.

 

Be with Pádraig for National Poetry Month

 

Happy National Poetry Month! Pádraig is having a busy time this April. Check out a few of his upcoming events, with more to come:

APRIL

05

TUESDAY

New York City
5:30pm CT / 6:30pm ET

Pádraig will interview R.A. Villanueva at the Church of the Heavenly Rest in New York City. Register here to attend this free event, in person and online.

APRIL

06

WEDNESDAY

Queens, NY
6pm ET

Pádraig will interview Tomás Q Morin about his poetry and prose at Saint Mark's Episcopal Church in Jackson Heights, Queens NY. Tickets at the door. Followed at 7pm by poets Carmen Giménez Smith and Ariel Francisco in conversation. These will also be live-streamed on the St. Mark’s Facebook page.

APRIL

09

SATURDAY

Chestertown, MD
7pm ET

Pádraig will be interviewed by Maureen Corrigan of NPR at the Ken County Poetry Festival. Register here for this free in-person event.

APRIL

14

THURSDAY

Provincetown, MA
6pm CT / 7pm ET

Marie Howe will interview Pádraig at the Provincetown Fine Arts Work Center. Register here to attend this free event, in person or online.

 

The Universe in Verse

 

This is the sixth of nine installments of The Universe in Verse — a celebration of the wonder of reality through stories of science winged with poetry, in collaboration with the luminous Maria Popova (themarginalian.org).

Chapter 6: “Dirge Without Music — Emmy Noether, Symmetry, and the Conservation of Energy”

In the latest offering from The Universe in Verse, Maria Popova tells the story of Emmy Noether, the mathematician whose work on symmetry and the conservation of energy addressed Einstein’s greatest puzzle. The accompanying animation brings to life a poem by Edna St. Vincent Millay, an elegy read by Amanda Palmer, with animation by Sophie Blackall and an original score by English musician Tom McRae.

Be sure to read the accompanying chapter at themarginalian.org. And watch this space for new episodes, released every Saturday through April.

 
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